ultimate pro touring car discussion?

[GregWeld]

@Matt -- I was giving your car compliments -- it's beautiful...

@Steve - Wasn't making your car out to be a race car - but just bordering maybe on that far end of Pro TOURING -- as in lacking some creature comforts that make it the ULTIMATE pro tourer.. please don't take offense... I wear my BP shirts every other day.

My use of your and Matts cars -- were RELATIVE one to the other - and using a Vegas/Jackass version as in the middle... Not saying yours is a race car - but it's certainly leaning more to race VERSUS Matts...

LOVE YOUR IDEA of a Camaro body wrapped around a ZR1.... isn't that kinda what Jackass is already?

[Steve1968LS2]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

@Matt -- I was giving your car compliments -- it's beautiful...

@Steve - Wasn't making your car out to be a race car - but just bordering maybe on that far end of Pro TOURING -- as in lacking some creature comforts that make it the ULTIMATE pro tourer.. please don't take offense... I wear my BP shirts every other day.

My use of your and Matts cars -- were RELATIVE one to the other - and using a Vegas/Jackass version as in the middle... Not saying yours is a race car - but it's certainly leaning more to race VERSUS Matts...

LOVE YOUR IDEA of a Camaro body wrapped around a ZR1.... isn't that kinda what Jackass is already?

lol.. no worries here.. I know what you meant

And I would agree that my car is at the farther end of the spectrum.. but not nearly as far as Big Red..

And not really on Jackass.. it took the engine/brakes and a similar trans.. Taking a whole ZR1 would give you ALL of the ZR1 including IRS, weight distribution, ABS, yada yada yada.. I can see it now.. project ZR69..

[nvr2fst]

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2

lol.. no worries here.. I know what you meant

And I would agree that my car is at the farther end of the spectrum.. but not nearly as far as Big Red..

And not really on Jackass.. it took the engine/brakes and a similar trans.. Taking a whole ZR1 would give you ALL of the ZR1 including IRS, weight distribution, ABS, yada yada yada.. I can see it now.. project ZR69..

I may have to steal that name Steve (ZR69)

[Steve1968LS2]

Originally Posted by nvr2fst

I may have to steal that name Steve (ZR69)

No problem.. the cost is a beer sometime.. lol

I have way more project names and ideas then I have time to build...

[nvr2fst]

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2

No problem.. the cost is a beer sometime.. lol

I have way more project names and ideas then I have time to build...

I here ya on project name ideas. There in my head all day long.

[legend]

zr69, that's inspiring already

I live in Great Britain, no wipers would make the car unusable 300+days a year

EVO magazine do some great articles where they take supercars etc and drive across europe, that really appeals to me, in building something that would hang with the zondas and lambos over a long distance.

oddly they took a new v8 m3 with them as a camera car and it got worse mpg over the journey than the Pagani Zonda

I trained as a car designer, and have loads of ideas, I'll try and 'shop something up with a load of new ways of looking at things.

Mr Payback, I totally understand your points, after building a few dual use cars myself, that the requirements of racing ruin road cars and vise versa,

but the whole spectacle of american muscle on european roads is awesome, i want an R/T or camaro that can haul ass from Uk to the south of france for a holiday but run the 'ring and Spa circuits on the way

jaguar enthusiasts seem to be quite well catered for

mk2 jag with blown 4.2
XKE speedster

[Lenie]

It's already been built, if money wasn't an issue I'd just buy it seller willing? You are a lucky man Doug. Absolutely love your car.


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[Ron in SoCal]

This whole conversation is starting to crack me up! PT is what you want it to be; it's your $$$, it's your design, it's your car. That's what makes this hobby f'n awesome...the journey, not the destination, right? Can you imagine seeing someone reading about a feature car in Camaro Perfromers and banging on it cause it wasn't built right or 'ultimate'? I love Penny, I love Matt's car and I e-m Todd for advice. I'm not building my car to live up to someone else's standard - just my own. And I'm very cool with that (thank god it's not a 'mullet' car). In the end, if you see it and like it, great. If not, no prob. Go enjoy someone else's.

You're all right about what PT/Ultimate is. Now get those cars on the road so we can compete against our own standard and maybe kick a couple of tenths off our time. I'm glad the world's full of all the killer cars mentioned in this thread. Gives me something to shoot for!

Ron

[Vegas69]

Ron, I agree that the beauty of our hobby is floating our own boat. I rambled on for a few paragraphs and didn't really get to the point.

You really don't know what you've built until you turn the key and hit the open road. We are basically mildly engineering our own cars. Everyone has expectation of what they want out of their car. I'm trying to remind some of you that what you think your building and the end result may very well be different. There are so many decisions that are made building these things from scratch that are easily the wrong decision. The sorting of a car is just as crucial as the build. That's where many cars hit the road block. You have to work out the bugs and change some things to your liking. You also have to change things to make them more reliable. I've done things where I felt it was a masterpiece and it didn't work out. I'm guessing GM didn't build the first C6 vette and take it out for the first drive and it was done. This is no different. I'm happy to say I'm almost to the end of that long road and I'm not ready to start over on my behalf at least. If things go the way they should in the next 30 days. I may be taking on a project or two a year just for the love of the game and fun money.

[Ron in SoCal]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

Ron, I agree that the beauty of our hobby is floating our own boat. I rambled on for a few paragraphs and didn't really get to the point.

You really don't know what you've built until you turn the key and hit the open road. We are basically mildly engineering our own cars. Everyone has expectation of what they want out of their car. I'm trying to remind some of you that what you think your building and the end result may very well be different. There are so many decisions that are made building these things from scratch that are easily the wrong decision. The sorting of a car is just as crucial as the build. That's where many cars hit the road block. You have to work out the bugs and change some things to your liking. You also have to change things to make them more reliable. I've done things where I felt it was a masterpiece and it didn't work out. I'm guessing GM didn't build the first C6 vette and take it out for the first drive and it was done. This is no different. I'm happy to say I'm almost to the end of that long road and I'm not ready to start over on my behalf at least. If things go the way they should in the next 30 days. I may be taking on a project or two a year just for the love of the game and fun money.

I hear you Todd. First jet boat motor I built (20 years ago) put out more HP than the jet could handle. RPM's went up, speedo stayed the same! First big inch Harley rattled my back teeth and blew the clutch 150 miles into the shakedown run. My 1000 hp blower motor in my boat up in storage near you has blown 5 outdrives (don't think I'm not the running joke in that ciricle of friends). This car, this site hopefully will help me mitigate some engineering R&D. Guys like you that document this stuff pave the way. Still, I'm sure the shakedown will take a year or more.

Thanks for your help Bro and good luck on the builds...