Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[Bucketlist2012]

I have lived through many an Election...

I don't have to like the results, and I kinda know what is coming, but I do know that the people that are takers have a glass ceiling...I do not..

The takers will take but they can only take so much, hence the glass ceiling..

The makers can make more because there is no glass ceiling...we can achieve more..Will it be tougher ? Sure it will..But will we rise above it and still have fun...Yep....

Many that voted for More taxes, ect...are the one's that can least afford more sales tax, higher food costs and Gasoline...But yet they thought they were going to punish the rich....Strange world we live in.

[57hemicuda]

Don't know how many of you have seen the movie Idiocracy, but it pretty much sums it up.

[Spiffav8]

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda

Don't know how many of you have seen the movie Idiocracy, but it pretty much sums it up.

Yes..yes it does.

[Shmoov69]

In a scary way, it really does!! I've told many people that it is an ignorant movie but the "reality" of it is... Well... Real!!

[WSSix]

Originally Posted by realcoray

My question is what has changed that is something the president himself has done?

People forget that 4 years ago at this time, hundreds of thousands of people were losing their jobs, unemployment had gone up 40% in 2008, from 5 to 7.3%. Lots of people lost their jobs, their homes and/or their businesses.

I agree that all sucked, and things aren't all fixed now. We just about back to the same unemployment rate as when Obama took office, and the economy is adding jobs.

It's unrealistic to blame Obama for the economy being terrible, primarily because it was all sorts of messed up before he was even elected.

At the same time, it's not a reasonable assessment to give him much credit for things improving either. Not much has actually happened in washington dc the last four years, and things improving is more about the resilience of americans than it is anything that any one person or all of d.c. has done.

My point is this, let's not be all hyperbolic and dramatic over the election.

In general, what I am bothered by the most with Obama and the people who support them are their attitudes. I'm honestly not worried about what he can really do as President, though all of his executive orders are very disturbing from a power grab perspective, because he is constrained. It's just like the people who voted against Romney because he is pro-life. They some how seem to think he had the power to overturn Roe v Wade which is nonsense. Yet, people voted against him for that very reason. So realizing Romney doesn't have that power but turning around and thinking Obama has more power to magically snap his fingers to make things happen doesn't add up.

What does add up though, is the attitude Obama preachers and shows regularly. His actions or lack there of in many cases show what type of person he truly is regardless of what he says. It's the reason so many people where duped in 08 like Greg mentioned. He talked a good talk. Filled people with a lot of good ideas that even I agreed with. Nothing he had done up to that point in his political career agreed with the words and ideas he was pushing forth and nothing he did after being elected agreed either. For someone who claims to not be engaging in class warfare, he sure does use a lot of us and them in reference to American citizens in his speeches. He also has no problems laying blame or targeting legislation towards a select group of people whom have done nothing illegal or immoral. Yet, they are some how to blame or should be punished by having their legally earned wealth confiscated in the name of fairness or recovery? He is more like G W Bush than different but no one is crying war criminal or impeachment when he did the exact same things as Bush and then some.

The fact that so many American citizens support his actions and agree with those actions is what bothers me. They treat it like a football game cheering on their team as if there are no real implications as to what is going on in DC.

He is no leader and certainly not interested in bringing people together.

[Revved]

Unfortunately we are in for another 4 years of slow slide into oblivion and God only knows how long to dig out of the rediculous debt accumulating. Is Obama a bad guy? probably not. Did he have a clue what he was getting into 4 years ago? Definately Not. Is he arrogant and confrontational? Anybody who watched the debates can answer that. Does he have the skills to guide this country out of the muck our economy is in? 4 years +4 trillion in debt tells me no. His comments about cheap gas showed a weak economy when he took office and now that we have expensive gas things are getting better... ?!?!?!? 'nuff said?

Put the religion thing aside. Put the race cards aside. Romney has proven skills and the background to run our economy and the country. If the guy was given the office there was a much higher probability that the economy would have gotten back on track and then everyone on the forums could have bitched about his social policies.... or maybe not.. they would have been busy getting back to work. Well at least the obamaphone lady would have been bitching aout it. I'm still lost at when our country started demonizing people that are successful.. I'm pretty sure that was somewhere in the American Dream. But I didn't get the AACORN Occupy Everything memo either...

Real world though... How many of you have gotten the phone call from your high end clients that projects are being "delayed" or are dropping prices on high end cars to move them before the end of the year? What these Obama-ites don't realize is that many industries like ours and the economy as a whole depend on this 2% (that owns businesses, runs businesses, invest in businesses, spend money on luxury items) feeling comfortable enough to spend money. They don't spend money, we don't make money, we don't have money to spend, we don't have money to hire people or buy equipment, and then economy slows. I had plans to hire for projects slated to start in January but in the last two days I've had 2 out of 3 projects put off "indefinately" waiting to see the results of this "financial cliff." I have another client that turned down an offer on his car two weeks ago then called me back yesterday to do the deal just because he is cleaning house after the election worried about what is coming next year. Scared money doesn't make money... if businesses are afraid to spend money they arent going to... and Obama's fiscal policies scare people with money to spend. I'm going on year #5 now going solo and I've never been this uncertain of the future.

[Shmoov69]

I don't know about y'all, but I have NEVER been given a job by a poor man. Crazy ain't it!!?!
In construction, projects have "been on hold" till after the election. Well, now they are on hold till it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, not just when it "could" be a good time.

[WSSix]

Originally Posted by Revved

Real world though... How many of you have gotten the phone call from your high end clients that projects are being "delayed" or are dropping prices on high end cars to move them before the end of the year? What these Obama-ites don't realize is that many industries like ours and the economy as a whole depend on this 2% (that owns businesses, runs businesses, invest in businesses, spend money on luxury items) feeling comfortable enough to spend money. They don't spend money, we don't make money, we don't have money to spend, we don't have money to hire people or buy equipment, and then economy slows. I had plans to hire for projects slated to start in January but in the last two days I've had 2 out of 3 projects put off "indefinately" waiting to see the results of this "financial cliff." I have another client that turned down an offer on his car two weeks ago then called me back yesterday to do the deal just because he is cleaning house after the election worried about what is coming next year. Scared money doesn't make money... if businesses are afraid to spend money they arent going to... and Obama's fiscal policies scare people with money to spend. I'm going on year #5 now going solo and I've never been this uncertain of the future.

What's this trickle down economy talk you're spewing? Everyone knows that is nonsense. You're just trying to protect the rich so they can continue to screw over the rest of us

How or why people don't understand that if you allow people to keep their money, instead of seizing it through taxation, they will spend it on their own is beyond me. I guess they think trickle down economy means trickle down prosperity or that it's some how guaranteed they will be better off without actually having to get out there and make it happen for themselves. Not only that but to simply be in this hobby, which involves purely discretionary money and spending, and still claim that trickle down economics doesn't work or doesn't exist is mind blowing.

To add to Greg's comments earlier about the taxes targeted directly at yachts. I grew up in Savannah, GA. Technically, outside of it on the islands but the address was Savannah. I remember years of driving into Savannah proper and passing through Thunderbolt, GA and seeing the yachts and sailboats being built during the 80s. I didn't find out until the 90s when I was a teenager that the reason the sailboats and yachts suddenly disappeared and the company went bankrupt was because the government decided to tax people who dared to want to buy one. You may think a fancy boat is unnecessary and maybe even vulgar given that there are people who can't even afford a simple car, but you have no right to punish someone who wants to buy one with their legally earned money. It's also laughable if you claim to care about the little guy when you support legislation that results in that little guy losing his job simply because he worked at a business you deemed unnecessary.

My post isn't directed at anyone specific. Please don't take it that way. I'm just simply venting about interference in the economy by government morons who claim to know what's best for me and you. Or, who try to honestly claim the most basic and obvious truths don't exist or work.

[57hemicuda]

I did love the listening to the radio on Wed. when the stock market tanked. They actualy said "due to some turmoil in Europe, the stock market is down 300 points", not even mentioning the election. Its very scary how detatched the press has become from reality, and how the current Pres. can do no wrong. Its no longer news, its propiganda, I hope history can't repeat itself.

Most of us, give or take, are probably finantially as far along in life as we will go. Its our kids and grand kids that won't have the same oportunities for success that we had. How did we get here?

[Eleanor's Nemesis]

Originally Posted by WSSix

What's this trickle down economy talk you're spewing? Everyone knows that is nonsense. You're just trying to protect the rich so they can continue to screw over the rest of us

How or why people don't understand that if you allow people to keep their money, instead of seizing it through taxation, they will spend it on their own is beyond me. I guess they think trickle down economy means trickle down prosperity or that it's some how guaranteed they will be better off without actually having to get out there and make it happen for themselves. Not only that but to simply be in this hobby, which involves purely discretionary money and spending, and still claim that trickle down economics doesn't work or doesn't exist is mind blowing.

To add to Greg's comments earlier about the taxes targeted directly at yachts. I grew up in Savannah, GA. Technically, outside of it on the islands but the address was Savannah. I remember years of driving into Savannah proper and passing through Thunderbolt, GA and seeing the yachts and sailboats being built during the 80s. I didn't find out until the 90s when I was a teenager that the reason the sailboats and yachts suddenly disappeared and the company went bankrupt was because the government decided to tax people who dared to want to buy one. You may think a fancy boat is unnecessary and maybe even vulgar given that there are people who can't even afford a simple car, but you have no right to punish someone who wants to buy one with their legally earned money. It's also laughable if you claim to care about the little guy when you support legislation that results in that little guy losing his job simply because he worked at a business you deemed unnecessary.

My post isn't directed at anyone specific. Please don't take it that way. I'm just simply venting about interference in the economy by government morons who claim to know what's best for me and you. Or, who try to honestly claim the most basic and obvious truths don't exist or work.

I've been sayng this, essentially, for a very long time. It's comforting to see someone else say it too.

I think the yacht dealio you are talking about involved the "Luxury Tax" in the early 1990's. I remember Ted Kennedy was a vociferous proponet of the Luxury Tax and it killed the yacht building business in New England just like it did in other parts of the country.