Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[Shmoov69]

Originally Posted by camsdad

#4 If the Govt was ran like a Business or in its case a Corporation, the problem I see is the "Leaders" Pres, Congress, Senate, House, ext...would give themselves Enormously HUGE Bonus's at the end of each year and there would no longer be any form of elections. We the people would no longer have a say in our government.
In addition, if they can not balance their budget, lol! They will piss on us honest hard working back breaking tax paying little folk some more.

And this is different than what we have how?!??!

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by Flash68

Impala Man... I would vote for you.

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012

You will be robbed, your house will burn down, and OMG, the poor children...

Exactly the same as when they are fully staffed.

Throwing money at our local public safety services may improve their presence but it certainly doesn't improve the level of public safety. What's a sad fact in Eugene is the number of over-weight lesbian officers that can across the board out perform some of the men.

If anyone really thinks their jobs are so dangerous and justify the lucrative pensions............with the average physical condition how do they manage to survive? They might make it a week in the mountains of Afghanistan but only if they encountered minimal resistance.

Grrrrr

[camsdad]

Originally Posted by Shmoov69

And this is different than what we have how?!??!

Exactly the point.
IMO even though I would HOPE it would.Problem is power corrupts.

[Sieg]

Here's the latest compensation data posted in the local Eugene, OR paper:

The cost of a City of Eugene worker

Average cost per full-time equivalent employee (total wages and benefits, but excluding overtime)

American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees

08-09 fiscal year: $70,419

12-13 fiscal year: $80,540

Full-time equivalent employees: 609

Eugene Police Employees’ Association

08-09 fiscal year: $91,568

12-13 fiscal year: $106,572

Full-time equivalent employees: 241

International Association of Firefighters

08-09 fiscal year: $107,434

12-13 fiscal year: $117,230

Full-time equivalent employees: 172

Non-unionized employees/managers

08-09 fiscal year: $106,375

12-13 fiscal year: $115,489

Full-time equivalent employees: 418

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The overtime is most likely excluded because it would probably cause local rioting.

How many people do you know that will be receiving 10+% compensation increases from 08-09 to 12-13?

I know the police have a lot of flexibility when it comes to banking OT compensation so most of them jump on it, seniority applies.

Many of these public servants are working 32-40 hours a week, many working 4 - 10's so working 5-10 hours a week of OT is nothing.

We've all seen how hard cops work at football and basketball games.......that's double OT.

Here's the entire article which will give a little insight into the mindset of councilors and city manager.
http://www.registerguard.com/web/upd...-fire.html.csp

What baffles me is people in the community actually believe the same people that negligently created this problem are capable of resolving it.

[GregWeld]

I might be out of touch -- but I just don't think 100K per year is "good money"... I personally think that would put someone right square into the "middle class" and most likely would also require the wife, if any, to work
as well.

I don't mind my public employees being middle class Americans. I have SEVERAL police officers as friends -- I also belong to the Seattle Police Athletic Association... and I can tell you that none of them are above middle class even with overtime. They don't have the hot rods and stuff that "we" do. And if they do - they're building them at home and it take a lot of months or years to complete.

What I'd like to see cut out - is the multiple pensions that many of them stack up! My buddy get's a pension for life for being a Major in the Army - then is stacking up a separate healthy pension from the city... He'll make more in pension than he does working. THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT in my opinion. He'll also be able to do all of this while retiring "early".

Regular folks don't work for one place for 20 years - quit - then go work another 20 for someone else and get the pensions these "government service" workers do and that's where it's messed up, and the costs are horrendous!

[Flash68]

"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
~Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher

[Sieg]

Greg - I'd say a little out of touch due to living in major financial hubs in the country. $50-$75K is an above average salary in Eugene/Springfield, not many over $150K. Based on advertising demographics by zip code that I've contracted. $50-$75K is more like and average household income.

[GregWeld]

Is that per month -- because I'd be struggling if it's not!

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Is that per month -- because I'd be struggling if it's not!