Shooting in Connecticut

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by hifi875

He wasn't a teenager, but timothy mcveigh, lets see, he killed 168 poeple including alot of children 19 to be exact.

He sure did and it was a tragedy, but you cannot say that because there are OTHER ways to kill lots of people, we just shouldn't even bother trying to control ANY of the ways.

This is akin to saying that since you can kill 168 people via a fertilizer bomb, we should just not bother regulating sarin gas, because if you regulate sarin gas, then that crazy person will just use explosives.

Originally Posted by The Patch

Wrong! 60 million.

Are you saying we should emulate China?

Correct! It WILL make things far worse. It WILL set the stage for an American Mao.

The things you want to ban ensure we will not have an American Mao.

You are hilarious but I'm not even sure what you're saying here. I'm pretty sure that re-enacting a ban that was in place for many years and didn't end up causing catastrophe is probably not going to do much towards whatever it is you're rambling on about here.

[hifi875]

Originally Posted by realcoray

He sure did and it was a tragedy, but you cannot say that because there are OTHER ways to kill lots of people, we just shouldn't even bother trying to control ANY of the ways.

This is akin to saying that since you can kill 168 people via a fertilizer bomb, we should just not bother regulating sarin gas, because if you regulate sarin gas, then that crazy person will just use explosives.



You are hilarious but I'm not even sure what you're saying here. I'm pretty sure that re-enacting a ban that was in place for many years and didn't end up causing catastrophe is probably not going to do much towards whatever it is you're rambling on about here.

There are already gun laws in place. its funny, in cities where there is a ban on guns(chicago, d.c.) the murder rate is the highest.

[96z28ss]

Originally Posted by rugbyguy

Gentleman,
I was going to go into to a ten minute tirad about how american's don't need tactical weapon, but probably not gonna change anyone's mind. So here is a little info I picked up. Gun Deaths 2011 Japan 48, Great Britan 8, Canada 52, Israel 58, Sweden 21, Germany 42, United States 10,782.

I live in Canada where we have laws that regulate restricted and prohibited firearms. I don't walk around in fear and feel the need to arm myself. If someone takes my stuff I have insurance. If some comes into my house I have a sherwood 5050 hockey stick( no pun intended), and 911.

Just my $0.02

Cheers
Mack

P.S. I'll be sure to see some of you profiled on a upcoming episode of Doomsday Preppers. :

Where are you getting your info? those numbers don't seem right.
Also Your laws regulate just about as good as our do.

Google search=
"Canada has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world. There are almost as many rifles per capita in Canada as in the United States.[6] Gun ownership rate is about 29% of households with great regional variations. Typically, rural is much higher than urban, west higher than east. The majority of Canadian firearms include rifles, shotguns, and pistols. Firearms are readily available to licensed Canadian citizens. Fully automatic firearms are an exception and are generally prohibited from private ownership.

[intocarss]

Originally Posted by rugbyguy

Gentleman,
I was going to go into to a ten minute tirad about how american's don't need tactical weapon, but probably not gonna change anyone's mind. So here is a little info I picked up. Gun Deaths 2011 Japan 48, Great Britan 8, Canada 52, Israel 58, Sweden 21, Germany 42, United States 10,782.

I live in Canada where we have laws that regulate restricted and prohibited firearms. I don't walk around in fear and feel the need to arm myself. If someone takes my stuff I have insurance. If some comes into my house I have a sherwood 5050 hockey stick( no pun intended), and 911.

Just my $0.02

Cheers
Mack

P.S. I'll be sure to see some of you profiled on a upcoming episode of Doomsday Preppers. :

This is from the Toronto Police.





For a country with such strict gun control it's funny how the majority of homicides in Toronto always seem to be by shooting.

[482supersnake]

Originally Posted by rugbyguy

Gentleman,
I was going to go into to a ten minute tirad about how american's don't need tactical weapon, but probably not gonna change anyone's mind. So here is a little info I picked up. Gun Deaths 2011 Japan 48, Great Britan 8, Canada 52, Israel 58, Sweden 21, Germany 42, United States 10,782.

I live in Canada where we have laws that regulate restricted and prohibited firearms. I don't walk around in fear and feel the need to arm myself. If someone takes my stuff I have insurance. If some comes into my house I have a sherwood 5050 hockey stick( no pun intended), and 911.

Just my $0.02

Cheers
Mack

P.S. I'll be sure to see some of you profiled on a upcoming episode of Doomsday Preppers. :

Look at the violent crime rates for Germany and Great Britain. Their's is 3 times higher than the US. Just because a gun wasn't used doesn't mean that there isn't violent crime. Also accros the pond they have cameras everywhere yet they still have crime.
It may be a little harsh but I think that one of the biggest problems is the lack of natural selection. I times past the community would get rid of the social deviants now we put them on a medication that may actualy make their problems worse, and let them roam the streets. Also like Greg said why are these parents letting their kids buy and play these insane video games. There does not need to be a regulation against them just parents that take a minute to actualy be a parent.

[GregWeld]

The gun debate could go on forever....


I'm still mourning for the children - staff - parents - town... of Newtown, CT. regardless of how they were killed or why.


I think it comes down to normal law abiding sane individuals never use a gun - or any other weapon - to harm another human being. Insane/disturbed/criminals etc will use whatever means at their disposal. We owe it to all Americans - as gun owners - to do a better job keeping whatever weapons we have out of their hands. In this tragic case the Mother (she was legal owner of the weapons used) failed to control HER weapons. Had she done an adequate job - she'd possibly still be alive...not to mention all the other victims (let's call them what they are - children, Mothers, loving PEOPLE).

Perhaps what we need is a gun regulation requiring SAFE STORAGE first before ANY gun (including revolvers etc) could be purchased. In other words - until you could prove you had a safe (minimum standards would have to be legislated) place for said property you couldn't buy ANYTHING. And perhaps households with at risk minors should have even stronger regulations.

Too bad there's no registration of gun ownership allowed.... because it would be a good regulation to have all gun owners subject to random checks to see that their weapons were properly secured. We are subject to regulations for driving -- it's a privilege -- we have to have our cars pass safety checks etc. I wouldn't be against having to prove that I can and will secure my weapons and ammo at all times including during transport etc.

As sad as I am about this - and other tragedies -- I still don't think the "evil" should dictate the terms of our lives and how we choose to live them. And none of us can argue "need" -- since we don't "need" much of what we have in our lives -- so who should tell me what I need or don't need? That's not what America is built on!

[Bucketlist2012]

No mainstream media is labeling the shooter a "teabagger", or a gun loving Repub.....Hmmmmm.......Wonder what that means ?

[Garage Dog 65]

Some on the news are now reporting that his mother was in the process of committing him - he found out and was extremely upset.

[Bryan O]

Greg,

I'm with you up to your idea of random searches by the "authorities" of my home. That would be a gross violation of the 4th Amendment. Keeping and bearing arms is a right. A God given right. It is not a privilege.

It makes me livid the way some gun owners allow others access to their guns. This is probably what happened in the Newtown case.

As you must know, there are strict requirements for gun safes in Cal but no real follow up on where or not the gun owner actually has a safe.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by The Patch

Greg,

I'm with you up to your idea of random searches by the "authorities" of my home. That would be a gross violation of the 4th Amendment. Keeping and bearing arms is a right. A God given right. It is not a privilege.

It makes me livid the way some gun owners allow others access to their guns. This is probably what happened in the Newtown case.

As you must know, there are strict requirements for gun safes in Cal but no real follow up on where or not the gun owner actually has a safe.

Okay -- Maybe we just make this - or something similar - a condition of ownership of certain kinds of guns - such as the AR15 styles and the AK47's etc - capable of semi auto firing and using anything over a 9 round magazine. In other words - I'm okay with some onerous link to ownership.... that would "make" people think about their responsibility to society at large?