DSE Subframe Press Release with pictures

[Mkelcy]

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2

What good info are we getting? Advice on how people should spend thier money?

I'm curious why you think a thread that discusses the pros and cons of the various front suspension alternatives and the relative cost of each is not "good info." We've seen threads that go on at length what it takes to be a "real P-T" car, but this one is useless?

XcYZ makes a good point that for plumbing dual turbos, rear steer can be a problem. I hadn't considered that because I hadn't thought about doing dual turbos. For the most part this thread has been a respectful exploration about what can be done to our cars and why it's done. No one is really debating the what, the debate rages about the why. If someone out there is considering an aftermarket sub because he or she thinks that's the only way to get good handling, then this thread is useful.

Originally Posted by Mkelcy

there is often a suggestion in this thread and others discussing the latest new part that, unless you have the part on your car, you can't be (1) fast, or (2) a real pro-touring car. See for example:
Somehow I don't think my G'modded, delrin bushed, Hotchkis sprung and swayed, fast steering box equipped stock subframed front end handles "like either a shopping cart or a tour bus."

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2

Maybe you missed where he used the word "stock".. which your suspension is not. Or are you saying that a totally stock suspension handles great?

No, I was responding to a series of posters in this thread that seem to imply that if you don't entirely replace the stock sub, you can't get your car to handle well.

I don't particularly have a dog in this fight. I've got a modded stock subframe in my current driver, and I have a 21st Century sub ready to go into my second car. But I recognize that, putting aside other factors, including bling, the performance gains I'll likely get with the 21st Century sub probably won't dazzle me as compared to the modded stock sub.

[Steve1968LS2]

Originally Posted by Mkelcy

I'm curious why you think a thread that discusses the pros and cons of the various front suspension alternatives and the relative cost of each is not "good info." We've seen threads that go on at length what it takes to be a "real P-T" car, but this one is useless?

Pros and cons based on what? so far it's only based on $$.. I've seen very little data in this thread and lots of assumptions.

And the threads about "what it takes to be a real P-T car" are just as pointless.. everyone want to define stuff and segment the hobby rather than just enjoy the moment. I guess it's human nature.

No, I was responding to a series of posters in this thread that seem to imply that if you don't entirely replace the stock sub, you can't get your car to handle well.

Maybe you can show me where this was said??? The example you quoted said that a STOCK suspension handled badly.. and somehow from that you took "the entire subframe has to be replaced or your car sucks" from that?

[jonny51]

This argument is a complete joke,who would put a bunch of money into an old POS?Yeah I said POS,these cars really do nothing very well except look cool.So each and every guy on this site with a musclecar has it because it looks cool!You can buy a late model corvette(saving big time on your $$$$$$) that will run circles around damn near any aftermarket suspension on these old cars.
So just pipe down and go spend your savings on your build and buy your wife a big rock!

[Leadfoot1]

That must be why its written "MODERATOR" under your name jonny.....


Lead.

[XcYZ]

Well, this thread has run its course for supplying useful and productive info - especially considering how far off topic we've moved. All we're accomplishing now is pissing people off.

Locked.

We can certainly start another thread discussing the pro's and con's of parts selection, but it won't start with the press release of one of our sponsors.