1970-81 DSE Frame "Extras"

[Smittys67]

Buying the sub frame at the big box store saved you some money. But you got 0 info. You can buy headers from Ultimate Headers they fit and are like $1200ish depending on finish. I know they fit I have fit them.

P.s you have to buy them through a dealer.

[badazz81z28]

Originally Posted by Smittys67

Buying the sub frame at the big box store saved you some money. But you got 0 info. You can buy headers from Ultimate Headers they fit and are like $1200ish depending on finish. I know they fit I have fit them.

P.s you have to buy them through a dealer.

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[Matt@BOS]

Originally Posted by badazz81z28

"Some Money" is an understatement. Even though a vendor can provide excellent support and advice, I saved entirely too much money to justify buying advice. Dude I saved nearly $1500, free freight, and I earned $200 in summit bucks. I greatly appreciate the advice given and my target audience in forums is actual consumers who are using this frame. Please don't feel like I stabbed vendors in the back than asked them for help. I don't make $80 an hour so I need to save where I can.

FWIW, I called DSE and they were very helpful, unfortunately they fabricate their cross-members specific for each build.

Yup, its hard to justify buying at close to list from someone that has built cars with the parts they sell, and know all of the hidden expenses, because they don't sell enough volume to get the great pricing like companies who have small offices and place orders and drop ship parts all day, or from huge places like Summit that can and will price match.

/mini rant after receiving emails and private messages for install tips and help from people after they elsewhere.

[badazz81z28]

Originally Posted by Matt.A

Yup, its hard to justify buying at close to list from someone that has built cars with the parts they sell, and know all of the hidden expenses, because they don't sell enough volume to get the great pricing like companies who have small offices and place orders and drop ship parts all day, or from huge places like Summit that can and will price match.

/mini rant after receiving emails and private messages for install tips and help from people after they elsewhere.

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[dhutton]

Originally Posted by badazz81z28

So what is the message here? You only help and give advice when they put money into your pocket? That's not being an enthusiast that does this for the passion. The attitude of "what's in it for me" doesn't go too far for a lot of folks. I have been playing with cars for over 15 years now and have always provided info and advice if I had it and never expected something in return. From what I understand anyways, people who build cars don't or really shouldn't expect to make money on the parts because they don't sell in high volumes. The labor of doing the work is where the money is made. $1000 to weld in SFCs, $4000 to weld in Mini-tubs...its paid forward. Besides, I have not PM'd or emailed any of you. This is a forum...a CoP. If you want to contribute, awesome. If you just want to be a sour grape, that's your choice too.

I've been on these forums for quite a few years now and one of the things I have learned is that you should do your shopping discretely using PM's and never advertise/flaunt the price you pay for anything on a vendor supported forum. I've also learned to fully exhaust the search functions before asking for help. Both of these will help keep you from getting into exchanges like this...

Don

[badazz81z28]

Originally Posted by dhutton

I've been on these forums for quite a few years now and one of the things I have learned is that you should do your shopping discretely using PM's and never advertise/flaunt the price you pay for anything on a vendor supported forum. I've also learned to fully exhaust the search functions before asking for help. Both of these will help keep you from getting into exchanges like this...

Don

Thanks Don, I have been on these forums for while as well. My intention was not to advertise or flaunt, I just wanted Smitty to understand why I did not buy from him. Nothing personal.

[Matt@BOS]

Originally Posted by badazz81z28

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My apologies for my post. It was NOT directed right at you. I do the best I can to be helpful, and also do the best I can, when possible, to support those with knowledge and advice that help me.

I may not always have the best answer or greatest knowledge of things, but if you ever need help at the track, and I'm there, I know the DSE stuff fairly well and would gladly lend a helping hand!

[dhutton]

This should be the cross member you need, first gen T-56 since the subframe rails are based on the first gen:

http://www.speedtechperformance.com/...rod/prd257.htm

Don

[Smittys67]

it was just a little jab. I still provided info on headers which work very well.
We do sell a ton of parts and a lot of times provide all of the parts for a customers build because we know what works.

[dontlifttoshift]

Originally Posted by Smittys67

Buying the sub frame at the big box store saved you some money. But you got 0 info. You can buy headers from Ultimate Headers they fit and are like $1200ish depending on finish. I know they fit I have fit them.

P.s you have to buy them through a dealer.

Nailed it!