What would a USCA pro-touring class look like??

[57hemicuda]

The older I get the more I love anarchy. No more rules!!! When we started all this my biggest fear was a rule book like so many other forms of racing.

If its not the Feds its local government telling me what I have to do. Don't make my hobby the same way. Run what you brung, if it ain't enough then too bad. Take it home and make it faster.

That being said, I started playing in these forums because of my love of Muscle Cars. I truly have no desire to watch late models and ricers race. I can see that any track day on any road course in the United States. What made Lat G and Pro Touring so cool was seeing some of the coolest, nicest Muscle Cars in the country get the crap kicked out of them. Don't know what the answer is but its not more rules. Just my 2 cents.

[dontlifttoshift]

If there were no pro touring cars back when OUSCI started, would it even exist as we know it today?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by dontlifttoshift

If there were no pro touring cars back when OUSCI started, would it even exist as we know it today?

No doubt, I think the old cars bring the crowds. Just look at the One lap events.

[ArisESQ]

Not really sure I understand the purpose of having classes in a competition to find the "Ultimate Street Car."

If it's a competition to find the best street driven car, then the only restriction should be that the car is registered and passes all registration requirements.

I realize not having classes makes it a lot harder for a classic muscle car to be competitive against some of the newer contenders, or for people not wiling to chop up their fenders to fit wider tires... but why does that matter at all.

[ArisESQ]

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda

The older I get the more I love anarchy. No more rules!!! When we started all this my biggest fear was a rule book like so many other forms of racing.

If its not the Feds its local government telling me what I have to do. Don't make my hobby the same way. Run what you brung, if it ain't enough then too bad. Take it home and make it faster.

That being said, I started playing in these forums because of my love of Muscle Cars. I truly have no desire to watch late models and ricers race. I can see that any track day on any road course in the United States. What made Lat G and Pro Touring so cool was seeing some of the coolest, nicest Muscle Cars in the country get the crap kicked out of them. Don't know what the answer is but its not more rules. Just my 2 cents.

Agree!

[GrabberGT]

I agree that we will lose interest in it pretty quick when the newer cars start to dominate the scene. I think a Pro-touring class at the very least would be a great start. Define PT as Pre-80's with carryover body styles. Make the "street manners" section of the judging more meaningful to balance out against the streetable race cars. Move the cruise to the end of the event to get drivers to race more conservatively since they still have to complete the cruise in order to get those points. If you break your car or render it unstreetable during one of the racing events, you'll lose valuable cruise points. In my opinion, PT cars are not race cars. They are street cars with racing capabilities. You still have to be able to drive them after racing them. If any portion of the event cannot be completed, no points will be awarded for the event.

[dontlifttoshift]

Originally Posted by GrabberGT

Move the cruise to the end of the event to get drivers to race more conservatively since they still have to complete the cruise in order to get those points.

I like the principal behind that but the social aspect of the cruise on Saturday night is pretty cool too. Why not both?

[GrabberGT]

Originally Posted by dontlifttoshift

I like the principal behind that but the social aspect of the cruise on Saturday night is pretty cool too. Why not both?

Agree. Also... minimum tread depth check before returning to the street for the final cruise. Tires have to pass the same safety checks after racing as they did before the racing.

[Blake Foster]

Originally Posted by dontlifttoshift

I like the principal behind that but the social aspect of the cruise on Saturday night is pretty cool too. Why not both?

GOOD IDEA!! and make the cruse 100 miles, lots of open hwy in NV. Even some COOL back roads. If you went up 15 to Moapa/ Valley of fire around that loop to Overton and back the I15 it would be about 80-90 miles with slow winding country roads and freeway driving with 2-3 available gas stops. I mean hell if the Drag week guys can do 1500 miles. a prostock car could drive 15 miles if it had to.

[65_LS1_T56]

Originally Posted by camcojb

Yep. "thumbsup: Jimi is committed to this event, and I know he'll continue to improve it. We're getting some ideas here for possible changes to equalize things, or possibly a separate class. I'll make sure he gets our ideas at least for additional input on whatever they decide to do in the future.

It was a GREAT time and I really liked the venue change. Spring Mountain is a beautiful facility, but this has a lot more room and better for spectators in my opinion. I think it went very smooth for the first time with such a big change in venue and doubling of participants. USCA did a great job on this one.

They did an excellent job orchestrating that whole deal, especially with the chaos of SEMA thrown in with it.

Originally Posted by SSLance

That said...Rodney Prouty, Aaron Oberle, Dan Ballard, Dan Howe, Sam and Deb Farrington, Jeff Montgomery, and Jane Thurmond, are just a few of the guys and gals in regular "our type" muscle cars that went to OUSCI this year and from everything I've seen or heard, they had an absolutely fabulous time there. I've seen "Weekend of a lifetime" mentioned several times...

And I suppose that they all ran around mid pack once things were ironed out. All very capable drivers in well sorted out Street Cars... I can't wait for the opportunity to do just the same, regardless of the ruleset.

Lance, thanks for mentioning me. I'm sure some of the guys on here can attest to the grin I had all weekend. I was in my element. Sure, sometimes things don't seem "fair" but as others have said, we come for the cars and the competition and stay for the friendships. I'm still hoping to finish mid-pack like I did at each of the qualifying events I did this year. Results soon I hope.

Some of you saw the pic I posted of our first run group session in Advanced, running order was GT-R, 997 TT, ZR1...65 Chevelle! The order changed in later sessions but I was pretty darn happy to be right up there with those cars. The ZR1 was only 0.8 secs faster than me in that session, lol.

Originally Posted by Blake Foster

GOOD IDEA!! and make the cruse 100 miles, lots of open hwy in NV. Even some COOL back roads. If you went up 15 to Moapa/ Valley of fire around that loop to Overton and back the I15 it would be about 80-90 miles with slow winding country roads and freeway driving with 2-3 available gas stops. I mean hell if the Drag week guys can do 1500 miles. a prostock car could drive 15 miles if it had to.

Yes, this would be good. Not just an easy freeway drive, but a good mix. I think a substantial drive would have a few dead soldiers by the end. I'm sure there were a few "racey" clutches that weren't too happy about the drive down Las Vegas Boulevard in stop and go (mostly stop) traffic. That was pretty cool actually getting to drive the strip