Ousci

[So Cal Camaro]

Originally Posted by 96z28ss

Where are all the C5, 5th gen Camaro, Evo, Porsche, Subaru, performance parts sponsors for these events. If that's the direction this event is heading in, then why would some of these sponsors stay, when the cars they cater to are at the bottom of the list.

The sponsors like Detroit Speed offer suspension parts for 5th gens, in addition to Vintage cars, K&N/Spectre offer parts for all year cars, Falken doesn't care if the car is new or old using their tires. Same for Lingenfelter, Holley & Wilwood brakes, they all sell parts for all year cars. The sponsors have adapted to the new world, so while you all like to complain about c5 Corvettes, Evo's or 5th gen Camaro's running in the event, if we didn't run, there would likely be no events as the Vintage guys are not coming out in force to the USCA qualifier events.

There were only 128 GTV cars registered all year at the 9 USCA events, and about 30 of those participated in more than one event to try and qualify for the OUSCI event. If the vintage cars want to be represented in greater numbers all they have to do is sign up and accumulate enough points to make the big show, like the EVO guys from RS Motors did.

They limit the number of entries, so fill the field at each event with as many vintage cars as you all can. USCA and Optima put on great events that provide all of us with a playground to drive the piss out of our cars and get some great seat time, which I do with a lot of friends at events. Do I ever expect to win the event? No, Do I have any less fun seeing where I stack up? No and I finished 57th overall...I am happily looking forward to the 2016 season!

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by So Cal Camaro

The sponsors like Detroit Speed offer suspension parts for 5th gens, in addition to Vintage cars, K&N/Spectre offer parts for all year cars, Falken doesn't care if the car is new or old using their tires. Same for Lingenfelter, Holley & Wilwood brakes, they all sell parts for all year cars. The sponsors have adapted to the new world, so while you all like to complain about c5 Corvettes, Evo's or 5th gen Camaro's running in the event, if we didn't run, there would likely be no events as the Vintage guys are not coming out in force to the USCA qualifier events.

There were only 128 GTV cars registered all year at the 9 USCA events, and about 30 of those participated in more than one event to try and qualify for the OUSCI event. If the vintage cars want to be represented in greater numbers all they have to do is sign up and accumulate enough points to make the big show, like the EVO guys from RS Motors did.

They limit the number of entries, so fill the field at each event with as many vintage cars as you all can. USCA and Optima put on great events that provide all of us with a playground to drive the piss out of our cars and get some great seat time, which I do with a lot of friends at events. Do I ever expect to win the event? No, Do I have any less fun seeing where I stack up? No and I finished 57th overall...I am happily looking forward to the 2016 season!

That is EXACTLY what needed to be said.... Sign up & Participate. The series started with "us" -- "us" didn't show up to play.

[Matt@BOS]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

That is EXACTLY what needed to be said.... Sign up & Participate. The series started with "us" -- "us" didn't show up to play.

I wonder how many of "us" had finished running, driving cars that we took completely apart or new cars that were supposed to be "simple" street/track oriented builds that "should" have been done at the beginning of this year.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Matt.A

I wonder how many of "us" had finished running, driving cars that we took completely apart or new cars that were supposed to be "simple" street/track oriented builds that "should" have been done at the beginning of this year.

98 out of 100




LOL

[mfain]

I am example of the type of guy that slowly got legislated out of Optima. Granted, most of that is because my project build has taken way too long - my bad, but there is a lot of satisfaction in the build. I have stock frame rails in a vintage car, but not much else. Then there was the "it needs roll-up windows" issue, and lately the restriction on big wings. Couple that with the fact that other sanctioning bodies where you might get much needed track time have mandated more extensive safety restrictions (full cage, changing requirements for cage bar configurations, seat and seat mounting restrictions, etc.) and you end up with a race car with license plates. But that is what you have to do if you are going to be even the least bit competitive with the technically advanced late model stuff. So now I will target the Ultimate Track Car Challenge. I bought an older NASA Spec Focus to complete the required competition licensing program (actually a ball, and cheap to operate). I have a C6Z/Z07 and an ACR on order, but what fun would they be (not to mention the wear and tear) just to be in the middle of the late model, store-bought crowd. I think I would vote for a "street legal" super unlimited class - build it, drive it (legally) to the track, regardless of make or model, and may the best car win THAT class.

Pappy

[DBasher]

Bring on the Unlimited class!! The more I look at the Dusold Camaro the more I know that these builds need a place to run. Tube chassis, full cage, twin turbo LS7...who wouldn't want to see that run?

As long as they can complete the road portion and show that they're legal in their home state they should be able to run. Look at the draw that the ProMod "streetcars" bring at Drag Week.....trickle down engineering

[GrabberGT]

Originally Posted by DBasher

Bring on the Unlimited class!! The more I look at the Dusold Camaro the more I know that these builds need a place to run. Tube chassis, full cage, twin turbo LS7...who wouldn't want to see that run?

As long as they can complete the road portion and show that they're legal in their home state they should be able to run. Look at the draw that the ProMod "streetcars" bring at Drag Week.....trickle down engineering

I like it and do away with exhibition as well. Let those drivers play in Unlimited. But the real question is... where do you draw the line between what is an unlimited and isnt? Maybe call it the "Ultimate" class and it be the only class to run for the Ultimate Streetcar title. Many of these cars we consider "race cars" will move there on their own just to have a shot at the title.

[DBasher]

Originally Posted by GrabberGT

I like it and do away with exhibition as well. Let those drivers play in Unlimited. But the real question is... where do you draw the line between what is an unlimited and isnt? Maybe call it the "Ultimate" class and it be the only class to run for the Ultimate Streetcar title. Many of these cars we consider "race cars" will move there on their own just to have a shot at the title.

Minimum weight 3000#
Licensed and registered
200TW
Stock WB and maybe original "style" panels
That's it, anything goes! Frickin CanAm street cars!

It's the direction people are going anyways, why not embrace it instead of saying they can't run.
That's it, I'm writing a letter.


Dear Jimi,

[SSLance]

This post comes from a guy (in case some don't already know ) with about 3 years experience in this part of the hobby, who drives what he thinks is a Vintage Muscle car, and has been very active in helping to create the CAM classes in the SCCA as well as participate in a few USCA qualifying events.

The SCCA and the USCA (my car is too new for Good Guys) have their work cut out for them coming up with ways to keep putting on quality events that create enough of a fun\dollar ratio to keep the registrations full. Their success so far shows they are up to the task. I really like that the SCCA and USCA are working together to create like kind classes for our types of cars to run in, I hope they also work together to work around each other's schedules to allow entrants to continue to attend events in both series easily.

Some of the most fun I've had as an entrant at these types of events were at events that I'm certain lost money and were considered unsuccessful, and some of least fun events I've participated in were probably considered successful by those that put it on. I'm not sure there is a good answer for this.

All I know is I am personally going to continue to pick and choose the events I attend based solely on the expected fun vs dollar cost ratio. This is why I declined the invitation that I earned to the 2015 OUSCI...I just couldn't see the fun\dollar ratio (for me personally) being anywhere near the point I have to have it to enjoy myself. Certainly there are many others out there that are able to put that ratio into their happy window. The rules, classes, point structure, ability to compete fairly and win all come secondary for this participant...they count...and are looked at when deciding where to go, but the fun factor will continue to be my priority. Distance to travel to an event is a major factor in this. The USCA seems to have forgotten the Midwest Region a little bit this year and I'm sure there are reasons for that...hopefully in future years they'll find ways to come back this way.


Regarding classes and rules, both the SCCA and USCA are tip toeing around a line that is very hard to discern (race car vs street car) and everyone seems to have their own opinion on where that line should be...when in fact that line is in a different spot for just about everyone of us. I can speak from experience that making the masses happy when dealing with that line while at the same time putting on events that are economically sustainable and fun for the entrants (and the spectators or possible future entrants) is a near impossible feat. Someone is bound to get butt hurt if they take it too seriously no matter where that line is.

[rustomatic]

Dan, I think we're carrying the same virus. Maybe we caught it from too many of Greg's barbecue weenies . . .

The "unlimited" thing used to be why race cars existed. Perhaps USCA is just helping to build the perfect kind of throwback forum (for building and running the craziest contraption in a kind of automotive decathlon sense). Maybe they're simply the beta version . . .

Originally Posted by DBasher

Bring on the Unlimited class!! The more I look at the Dusold Camaro the more I know that these builds need a place to run. Tube chassis, full cage, twin turbo LS7...who wouldn't want to see that run?

As long as they can complete the road portion and show that they're legal in their home state they should be able to run. Look at the draw that the ProMod "streetcars" bring at Drag Week.....trickle down engineering