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monstereddie · #1 01-23-2017, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld

I'm going to go out over my skis here and attempt to cover for Mark.

What you're asking about -- is incredibly complicated. Even more complicated when you're putting a system like this on track. I've only ever been privy to listening to these discussions between engineers..... and there's nothing much the ordinary guy is going to understand or be able to modify etc.

If I were him - I would HAVE TO consider the legal liability of advising someone trying to build these systems. There is just so much engineering and testing involved.

Thank you, Greg for this post. I am an Engineer with lots of Bosch backgrounds and abilities. We do software programming for the EURO 6 ECU, development, transmission development, manufacturing of reading and flashing hardware, checksum coding and programming of all CAN BUS controlled system. I could immediately use a M4 System that is great and works better than anything else in the world, problem is, that BOSCH sells it in Germany only for race track use, not for legal roads. I asked for Mark´s help because he integrated Delphi ABS into his cars and they work fine. Our government accepts only systems that were used in Legal Cars. With his help we could make this happen and probably help others that are in the need of the same system. I am not (at the moment) familiar with Delphi, but the codes are open source and it is a lot of information out there that can make this happen. We have own 4x4 dyno, brake system manager and testing areas, ...... all here - dont worry about the liability. Mark already told me that his system works amazing!

**GregWeld** · #2 01-23-2017, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by monstereddie

Thank you, Greg for this post. I am an Engineer with lots of Bosch backgrounds and abilities. We do software programming for the EURO 6 ECU, development, transmission development, manufacturing of reading and flashing hardware, checksum coding and programming of all CAN BUS controlled system. I could immediately use a M4 System that is great and works better than anything else in the world, problem is, that BOSCH sells it in Germany only for race track use, not for legal roads. I asked for Mark´s help because he integrated Delphi ABS into his cars and they work fine. Our government accepts only systems that were used in Legal Cars. With his help we could make this happen and probably help others that are in the need of the same system. I am not (at the moment) familiar with Delphi, but the codes are open source and it is a lot of information out there that can make this happen. We have own 4x4 dyno, brake system manager and testing areas, ...... all here - dont worry about the liability. Mark already told me that his system works amazing!

Well === I have no business speaking for Mark........ but it has to be said because it is complicated and can easily be made into a mess... These are public forums and we can only imagine the midnight engineering that could take place with barely enough info.

**Ns RS** · #3 01-23-2017, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld

Well === I have no business speaking for Mark........ but it has to be said because it is complicated and can easily be made into a mess... These are public forums and we can only imagine the midnight engineering that could take place with barely enough info.

and as a result and i could be mistaken, but i think a Bosch system was incorporated into jackass 2.0?

**Stielow** · #4 01-26-2017, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ns RS

and as a result and i could be mistaken, but i think a Bosch system was incorporated into jackass 2.0?

Yes I added the Bosch M4 system on Jackass. Works great with the Carbon ceramic brakes. Zero issues!

Mark

rustomatic · #5 01-26-2017, 09:04 PM

That's great info! I hate ABS (happily cut it out of my Corvette's brake system), but I'm glad I read this. Thank you, sir!

Beach Cruiser · #6 01-29-2017, 11:27 PM

Thanks Mark, I'm just kidding about the FSAE thing we had a ringer on our team who is now the chief engineer for Roush Racing. I'll dig into the C5 system in more detail as 90% of my driveline mimics it. The only difference is the rear wheel speed sensor, I'll have to compare to see if they are the same as the C5 (Which I doubt) but you are right about changes to the calibrated system, I have that problem on my firebird with better brakes and Hoosiers, it's real easy to get into Ice Mode and there is no recovery after you've already cooked the braking zone standing as hard as you can on the pedal.

**GregWeld** · #7 01-30-2017, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Beach Cruiser

Thanks Mark, I'm just kidding about the FSAE thing we had a ringer on our team who is now the chief engineer for Roush Racing. I'll dig into the C5 system in more detail as 90% of my driveline mimics it. The only difference is the rear wheel speed sensor, I'll have to compare to see if they are the same as the C5 (Which I doubt) but you are right about changes to the calibrated system, I have that problem on my firebird with better brakes and Hoosiers, it's real easy to get into Ice Mode and there is no recovery after you've already cooked the braking zone standing as hard as you can on the pedal.

My Lotus 2 11 goes into Ice Mode in a spin...... and that's a factory system. Lotus - sadly - never worked that bug out of the system. So the key is -- don't spin. Simple.

Beach Cruiser · #8 01-23-2017, 09:01 AM

Yeah, I'm an Engineer too and speak the language, I'm just trying not to reinvent the wheel. Maybe Mark is just holding a grudge because our FSAE car beat his FSAE car 27 years ago?

monstereddie · #9 01-23-2017, 10:06 AM

In Germany we have TÜV. It is all so strict and so buerocratic. They all suck. But we have no chance. Once this is installed they take it and test it. And when they stamp it and make it legal it is legal and the liability is off our shoulders. At the same time I need to follow rules, regulations and pass their tests. And even if there is a better system that works better and is more secure, as long Not approved for street use or has been installed and used in legal cars - no chance - especially on systems that have a huge red sign that warns any idiot from the authorities that it is for race use only. Mark has a system that works with the OEM stuff. All OEM. all like this been installed into a serial car. This to be installed in our project would be the BEST!!

@beach cruiser, so you have a finished and working ABS system in your ride, too? If yes pm me. We should not destroy this amazing post here!

PTAddict · #10 01-23-2017, 05:39 PM

Monstereddie,

See my new post in the Brakes section:

https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...8&postcount=24

It may be just the right answer for you.

Scott