ultimate pro touring car discussion?

[GregWeld]

I guess EFI or Carbs etc don't apply to "my" definition of what is or isn't a PT car. The wiper thing might knock you out... can't really "tour" without them and up here it'd get you a ticket (required equipment). If fact - it would fail a safety test so wouldn't get a license plate either!

Now, as for that GEICO version of a fuel feeder.....

[Steve1968LS2]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

I guess EFI or Carbs etc don't apply to "my" definition of what is or isn't a PT car. The wiper thing might knock you out... can't really "tour" without them and up here it'd get you a ticket (required equipment). If fact - it would fail a safety test so wouldn't get a license plate either!

Now, as for that GEICO version of a fuel feeder.....

You can tour where I live without them.. lol

To be honest, if Penny didn't come without wipers I would have kept them.. but they were gone so I didn't bother putting them back.

People "toured" before heaters and AC so I don't see that as a detriment.. then again, if I lived in Florida I would most likely have a different opinion.

What's a "safety inspection"??? lol

[boynton6spd]

full tube chasis, 572 bbc, 6spd man, marquez type interior, all creature comforts...
my builder would be troy trempanier

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by boynton6spd

full tube chasis, 572 bbc, 6spd man, marquez type interior, all creature comforts...
my builder would be troy trempanier

He might not take your money after you get his name wrong.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2

You can tour where I live without them.. lol

To be honest, if Penny didn't come without wipers I would have kept them.. but they were gone so I didn't bother putting them back.

People "toured" before heaters and AC so I don't see that as a detriment.. then again, if I lived in Florida I would most likely have a different opinion.

What's a "safety inspection"??? lol

Steve... you're funny!

When I'm saying "touring" --- I'm not talking about just touring in the area you live in. I mean Bill Howell touring - and or Power Tour(ing). Cruising is what I'd call doing a day trip around where you live... Touring is what I'd call going out of state - or to a different region etc. And that's why they make RainX !!

I drove a 13K brand new Ford Focus the other day (Sister in law looking) and even that little POS had A/C as a basic! But I totally agree that a car doesn't need it... Heat either.

Cages, to me, are whatever the owner wants... I actually like the looks of them if done right... and they protect and stiffen the chassis and can be built tasteful and not "too" intrusive. I even like the harnesses... they kind of scream "I'm all business"...

And then here we go again - right? What defines the "ultimate" PT car... where to start and stop. Performance over all else? Comfort levels? Paint? Fit and Finish? G's it can pull... in all directions...

I would add -- "how much to get it ready to race vs drive long distance (500 miles)"? Do you have to change anything to be competitive, like tires etc. (big description) in these events. I NOTE that the OUSCI and RTTC and RTTH do NOT OFFER DRAG RACING... but a good test of overall performance (hooking up and gettin' 'er down) is the Stoptech test.... You've got to go like stink quickly - and then haul it down - quickly... so it's a little of both and you have to do both well to be near the top.

A test like that - is where Pozzi is not going to do as well as some other cars - due to a lack of power.... and that to me is kinda like the drag race test... you have to have some real muscle to get 'er done in this test... and your suspension has to be able to perform here as well.

[Steve1968LS2]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Steve... you're funny!

When I'm saying "touring" --- I'm not talking about just touring in the area you live in. I mean Bill Howell touring - and or Power Tour(ing). Cruising is what I'd call doing a day trip around where you live... Touring is what I'd call going out of state - or to a different region etc. And that's why they make RainX !!

I drove a 13K brand new Ford Focus the other day (Sister in law looking) and even that little POS had A/C as a basic! But I totally agree that a car doesn't need it... Heat either.

Cages, to me, are whatever the owner wants... I actually like the looks of them if done right... and they protect and stiffen the chassis and can be built tasteful and not "too" intrusive. I even like the harnesses... they kind of scream "I'm all business"...

And then here we go again - right? What defines the "ultimate" PT car... where to start and stop. Performance over all else? Comfort levels? Paint? Fit and Finish? G's it can pull... in all directions...

I would add -- "how much to get it ready to race vs drive long distance (500 miles)"? Do you have to change anything to be competitive, like tires etc. (big description) in these events. I NOTE that the OUSCI and RTTC and RTTH do NOT OFFER DRAG RACING... but a good test of overall performance (hooking up and gettin' 'er down) is the Stoptech test.... You've got to go like stink quickly - and then haul it down - quickly... so it's a little of both and you have to do both well to be near the top.

A test like that - is where Pozzi is not going to do as well as some other cars - due to a lack of power.... and that to me is kinda like the drag race test... you have to have some real muscle to get 'er done in this test... and your suspension has to be able to perform here as well.

Except the Speed-Stop deal was as much about luck as anything.. given that they only got three tries. This is evidenced in how Shipka placed 2nd and Pozzi placed 5th in the same car.

As for driving.. drove Penny to Vegas for Optima.. on the same R888s I raced on.. drove the 90+ miles, in the pouring rain, at the RTTH dragon cruise.. The car can drive anywhere anyone's car can drive. Although I will say my car isn't optimized for cruising across county in terms of creature comforts, but it's got dynamat, jute, carpet, full interior and tunes.. I imagine that I would be hating life driving through a rainy Florida in August though. lol

I want my cars to be a bit "rough".. after all if I wanted to haul ass and be swaddled in cushy comfort I would have got a ZR1 'Vette.. for less money.

Now let's get back on topic here..

If money were no object I would find a way to graft an old Camaro body onto a ZR1 Corvette chassis... then use tons of CF and alum on the body.. voila!

[Matt@BOS]

Oh man Steve, you're really defending Penny. I'd say "madly in love" would be an understatement if anything. Does your wife receive as much attention as Penny? Wait, please don't answer that unless you know the "right answer"

Also, because you're planning on shooting my car next week, let me amend my last comment about Penny, it's perfect in every way. Seriously though, I'd like to see how comfortable it is on a long drive after contorting one's self to fit inside. I imagine it's not too bad. Now get'r done I want a nice, casual ride around the Costa Mesa fairgrounds. You'll be able to find me detailing my show-tourer.

Matt

[Steve1968LS2]

Originally Posted by 69MSA

Oh man Steve, you're really defending Penny. I'd say "madly in love" would be an understatement if anything. Does your wife receive as much attention as Penny? Wait, please don't answer that unless you know the "right answer"

Also, because you're planning on shooting my car next week, let me amend my last comment about Penny, it's perfect in every way. Seriously though, I'd like to see how comfortable it is on a long drive after contorting one's self to fit inside. I imagine it's not too bad. Now get'r done I want a nice, casual ride around the Costa Mesa fairgrounds. You'll be able to find me detailing my show-tourer.

Matt

Not defending.. just explaing since it was made to sound like my car was some sort of stripped down race car

I have no problem getting in.. the pain is when you need to work on the interior.. and it's very comfy once in..

And who are ya kiddin' Matt.. you don't detail your own car!

[GregWeld]

@Matt -- I was giving your car compliments -- it's beautiful...

@Steve - Wasn't making your car out to be a race car - but just bordering maybe on that far end of Pro TOURING -- as in lacking some creature comforts that make it the ULTIMATE pro tourer.. please don't take offense... I wear my BP shirts every other day.

My use of your and Matts cars -- were RELATIVE one to the other - and using a Vegas/Jackass version as in the middle... Not saying yours is a race car - but it's certainly leaning more to race VERSUS Matts...

LOVE YOUR IDEA of a Camaro body wrapped around a ZR1.... isn't that kinda what Jackass is already?

[Steve1968LS2]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

@Matt -- I was giving your car compliments -- it's beautiful...

@Steve - Wasn't making your car out to be a race car - but just bordering maybe on that far end of Pro TOURING -- as in lacking some creature comforts that make it the ULTIMATE pro tourer.. please don't take offense... I wear my BP shirts every other day.

My use of your and Matts cars -- were RELATIVE one to the other - and using a Vegas/Jackass version as in the middle... Not saying yours is a race car - but it's certainly leaning more to race VERSUS Matts...

LOVE YOUR IDEA of a Camaro body wrapped around a ZR1.... isn't that kinda what Jackass is already?

lol.. no worries here.. I know what you meant

And I would agree that my car is at the farther end of the spectrum.. but not nearly as far as Big Red..

And not really on Jackass.. it took the engine/brakes and a similar trans.. Taking a whole ZR1 would give you ALL of the ZR1 including IRS, weight distribution, ABS, yada yada yada.. I can see it now.. project ZR69..