I just don't understand how it worked on the mule, but it can't work for me.
As of right now buying a new sub-frame is 100% not an option.
I'm moving over the summer and need the car to be able to roll. Maybe after I get settled in I'll be able to get it sold, break even since I bought it used too.
Thank you though, probably will give you a call and figure out what I need for my build before I buy next time.
I just don't understand how it worked on the mule, but it can't work for me.
As of right now buying a new sub-frame is 100% not an option.
I'm moving over the summer and need the car to be able to roll. Maybe after I get settled in I'll be able to get it sold, break even since I bought it used too.
Thank you though, probably will give you a call and figure out what I need for my build before I buy next time.
Mark one up for lack of experience.
It can be made to work, just depends on how much work and money you want to spend to make it work. I sent Mark an e-mail, I'll let you know what he says......
I do know I rode in the Mule on a road course with Mark driving and the car was very stable and very fast. I remember Mark saying he was happy with how it worked on the track. I'm not saying it's the best way to go subframe-wise, but I think you can make it work plenty well to have fun with since you already own it and cannot afford to buy something else.
Probably a stupid question, but are you sure you don't have those steering arms on upside down? It looks to me like they might be and that the tie rods should be connected to the arms from the bottom. I'm far from an expert so maybe someone else who knows better will take a look.
It might help if you post a picture with the control arms set at ride height instead of full drop. The second picture that you posted is the one that just looks a little wrong to me.
i think anything can be made to perform well with the right dialing in and adjusting. realistically, a first gen camaro isn't exactly the best platform to start with if you just wanna go fast on a track anyways.
sure, the wayne due may not be the BEST option, but it's certainly an option. i say stick with it and don't regret it. i'm sure you'll be satisfied.
It can be made to work, just depends on how much work and money you want to spend to make it work. I sent Mark an e-mail, I'll let you know what he says......
I do know I rode in the Mule on a road course with Mark driving and the car was very stable and very fast. I remember Mark saying he was happy with how it worked on the track. I'm not saying it's the best way to go subframe-wise, but I think you can make it work plenty well to have fun with since you already own it and cannot afford to buy something else.
The Mule had a front clip from Art Rasmusion (sp?). When Art passed away un-expectantly Wayne Due purchased the tooling to make the front clips. I have NO idea what Wayne Due did to the original design...
On the Art front clip on the Mule I modified the clip to take a Delphi steering rack. A shortened C-5 Corvette. BTW that system still has a noise in it that ticks me off to this day. With that I had to made one off steering arms to fix the bump steer and ackerman angles. We also added down bars in the engine bay to triangulate it due to how light it was.
The Mule works great. But it doesn’t have a front clip made by Wayne Due!
The Mule had a front clip from Art Rasmusion (sp?). When Art passed away un-expectantly Wayne Due purchased the tooling to make the front clips. I have NO idea what Wayne Due did to the original design...
On the Art front clip on the Mule I modified the clip to take a Delphi steering rack. A shortened C-5 Corvette. BTW that system still has a noise in it that ticks me off to this day. With that I had to made one off steering arms to fix the bump steer and ackerman angles. We also added down bars in the engine bay to triangulate it due to how light it was.
The Mule works great. But it doesn’t have a front clip made by Wayne Due!
Mark
thanks Mark. I thought Wayne used Art's design. If he made any revisions down the road I'm not sure what they were and when he made them. I had heard that his C4 clips were Arts design, and then he made changes when he started offering C5 clips.
thanks Mark. I thought Wayne used Art's design. If he made any revisions down the road I'm not sure what they were and when he made them. I had heard that his C4 clips were Arts design, and then he made changes when he started offering C5 clips.
Jody
Jody
I'm not sure what Wayne did to Art design over time. I just wanted to point out that the sub frame I got for the Mule was built by Art and was fully TIG welded and sanded down. When I got it, it looked great. Of course that was a long time ago. Now there are many choices.
With enough care and attention to details you can get any of them to "work". I worry about strength, durability and geometry.
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