69 Camaro Project - Dead Pool

[69x22]

Cool!!!

[Flash68]

Joking aside for just a few minutes, it really is refreshing and long awaited to see Big Bad Ron post a video putting his 69 through the paces. Wish I coulda been there.

It's just the beginning.

[ironworks]

Originally Posted by Matt.A

I'm wondering if there is some air that just doesn't want to get out. Or, its possible that the pump isn't properly matched to the rack. The DSE racks like to see 1400psi pressures at (I believe) around 3.2 gallons per minute. Having the flow rating, but not the pressure might be responsible for the irregularity.

All in all, I think Ron should be pretty proud. Other than the steering issue, there weren't any other mechanical issues. It wasn't fun or easy to drive. It had understeer on corner entry, mid corner, on exit and in a straight line seriously, if you weren't conscious of unwinding the wheel, the car would plow through the straights with the wheel turned until a dab of brakes or a little too much throttle made it snap. Ron worked on driving around the cars weaknesses and did really well out there, especially for his first autocross!

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Matt -- You may be on to something there with the flow and pressure. I've seen plenty of guys running GM pumps with Ford racks and then complain that they're steering is too light... well DOH! A simple orifice change and it's bada bing bada boom!


Generally just raising the front off the ground - open the cap on the reservoir - and running the rack lock to lock a few times is adequate bleeding... but with extra lines -- and coolers... you'd have to look for a "high" loop where maybe the air is trapped IDK.

I experienced a similar problem on the DSE rack on the Chevelle we just finished.

How long is the pressure hose from the pump to the rack? Make it as long as you can. What happens is that it's a rotary pump which is not constant displacement so the longer hose helps the small pressure surges that the pump creates to be come smoothed out in that longer hose. COMPRENDE?????

I was blown away at what that did to our power steering system just by making the pressure hose like 30" long if memory serves me correct.

I tried to look at your pictures to see how long the pressure hose might be but after going back 10 pages and not finding any actual pictures of the car or engine I gave up.

[Greg from Aus]

Great to see Ron, Now get it all sorted so I can pick your brains.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Originally Posted by ironworks

I tried to look at your pictures to see how long the pressure hose might be but after going back 10 pages and not finding any actual pictures of the car or engine I gave up.

[efs69]

Good to see you got the car out and are putting it through its paces. I can relate to the driving part but that will come. In regards to the steering could there be some debris in the pump? I would take the valve out and flush the system. With new stuff there is a possibility of some casting fragments getting loose and mucking it all up.

[tones2SS]

So awesome Ron. Glad to hear the car is running well and that you're enjoying it.
Keep it going bro!

[Ron in SoCal]

Originally Posted by Flash68

Sounds like Ron built the perfect pro touring car based on proven recipes.

Originally Posted by FETorino

Yep 335/285 stagger hard at work. Form over function.



Sounds like Ron did just fine.

Fix the steering issue and get some seat time in the thing. Then new rear inner hoops and a 315 tire will fix you right up.

Back on the grid!

Can always count on you two for a positive poke

[Ron in SoCal]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Matt -- You may be on to something there with the flow and pressure. I've seen plenty of guys running GM pumps with Ford racks and then complain that they're steering is too light... well DOH! A simple orifice change and it's bada bing bada boom!


Generally just raising the front off the ground - open the cap on the reservoir - and running the rack lock to lock a few times is adequate bleeding... but with extra lines -- and coolers... you'd have to look for a "high" loop where maybe the air is trapped IDK.


I have power steering on the Muttstang -- and Charley doesn't on his... he's always worn out at the end of the day and mentions "me" having PS and him not. I think there's larger issues at work but WTF we're friends and I just accept his whining for what it is. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally Posted by ironworks

I experienced a similar problem on the DSE rack on the Chevelle we just finished.

How long is the pressure hose from the pump to the rack? Make it as long as you can. What happens is that it's a rotary pump which is not constant displacement so the longer hose helps the small pressure surges that the pump creates to be come smoothed out in that longer hose. COMPRENDE?????

I was blown away at what that did to our power steering system just by making the pressure hose like 30" long if memory serves me correct.

I tried to look at your pictures to see how long the pressure hose might be but after going back 10 pages and not finding any actual pictures of the car or engine I gave up.

Thanks for the suggestions gentlemen. Here's my plan - first I'll verify that Wegner sent me the correct flow rate pump for my DSE rack. I have a GM pump on the shelf (go figure) that is supposed to be matched to the rack so I can swap it out to test. I'll also remount my cooler lower. I've heard others with the same problems with this rack and I'd rather not put a three foot hose in the engine compartment (great suggestion though Rodger). If there's any lingering issues or notchy-ness I'm replacing the rack and getting a matching pump. I've also got a valve for the pump that'll match the AGR so one way or another this will get fixed.

Appreciate the input for sure

[Ron in SoCal]

Originally Posted by Track Junky

Very cool Ron. Looks like you have graduated from the jack stand army. Welcome aboard.

Now get ready for the sleepless nights trying to figure out how to improve car and driver

Already loosing sleep Gae.

Originally Posted by waynieZ

That's awesome Ron! Glad to hear you had a good time.

Thanks Wayne. So far I'm lovin' it

Originally Posted by DaleTx

Great to see you’re out there enjoying the car! The autocross video was good, but I’m looking forward to some high speed stuff to hear the 427 wound up

The car looks awesome.

Hey Dale! How's it going? I think my next outing will be Big Willow so stay tuned Brother. These LS7s are so much fun!

Originally Posted by cterry69

Hey Ron it was nice to meet you and figure out where I had seen your car before. lol.
Congrats on the cars maiden voyage at the track and your first time auto crossing. Once you get the car all dialed in, you will really enjoy auto crossing in it. Your car turned out great.

Dude it was great meeting you and the 5th Gen crew. I will definitely see you out at more AutoX events. You rocked that car, btw

Now get busy and start a build thread on your first Gen!