Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[camcojb]

I have been with Blue Cross the last 6 years. The highest increase year to year has been 5%. Just got the new rates for next year.................. 17% increase. And they even listed Obamacare as one of the reasons for the large increase. I did not hit a new age group, nothing changed. Didn't use my insurance at all the last three years.

I would like to know how forcing an insurance policy to have minimum specs like pre-natal care (which my wife and I do not need), or no co-pays on certain things, take on any pre-existing conditions, etc. would NOT raise the cost of the insurance. Maybe I don't understand how it works. But when you add on the extras and require everybody regardless of health to be covered, the price of the policy has to go up.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by camcojb

But when you add on the extras and require everybody regardless of health to be covered, the price of the policy has to go up.

Jody ---


My take on Obamacare is that it is the most egregious tax ever levied on the "have nots" in the history of the USA. The people of this great country just haven't been hit with it yet. It's a nice "theory" that everyone should have health coverage... but this is the wrong way to go about it. It'll just end up being another bloated entitlement... mismanaged and rife with fraud.

The funny thing is -- the people that can "afford" healthcare -- already have it. The people that CAN NOT afford healthcare will now be forced to buy/pay, or be fined. The "fine" amount that I've heard ($600) is smaller than the cost of Obamacare. So many will just be forced to choose to pay more or just pay the fine which is less. My guess is that we'll build a bureaucracy to hunt down all the zillions that have no way to pay ... not even the fine... and they'll still be the ones showing up at the ER and we will treat them just as before i.e., the best medical care money can buy.


California's hospital ER's are full of NON US citizens... what are we going to do with them?

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Jody ---


My take on Obamacare is that it is the most egregious tax ever levied on the "have nots" in the history of the USA. The people of this great country just haven't been hit with it yet. It's a nice "theory" that everyone should have health coverage... but this is the wrong way to go about it. It'll just end up being another bloated entitlement... mismanaged and rife with fraud.

The funny thing is -- the people that can "afford" healthcare -- already have it. The people that CAN NOT afford healthcare will now be forced to buy/pay, or be fined. The "fine" amount that I've heard ($600) is smaller than the cost of Obamacare. So many will just be forced to choose to pay more or just pay the fine which is less. My guess is that we'll build a bureaucracy to hunt down all the zillions that have no way to pay ... not even the fine... and they'll still be the ones showing up at the ER and we will treat them just as before i.e., the best medical care money can buy.


California's hospital ER's are full of NON US citizens... what are we going to do with them?

Greg,

I think it's the step they needed to take to get to single payer. They said they could not get there in one step, but if this law does what many think it will you'll have so much screaming from the middle class who's lost their coverage when their employer opts to drop it and pay the tax, or had to pay a bigger chunk of it from their employer that they can then push single payer through.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by camcojb

Greg,

I think it's the step they needed to take to get to single payer. They said they could not get there in one step, but if this law does what many think it will you'll have so much screaming from the middle class who's lost their coverage when their employer opts to drop it and pay the tax, or had to pay a bigger chunk of it from their employer that they can then push single payer through.

Single payer is just another step closer to socialism... Thank gawd we only have another 4 years to get there.